America to China and back again

Jordan Lam's story.  Living in a world where you are trying to adjust to two very different cultures and how he navigates that.

Links below to Jordan's Podcast:

https://open.spotify.com/show/4gNzIovI3IOsO4CwNVQTeW?si=40bf532694b74e2e
https://www.youtube.com/user/jordan83225
https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/jordan-mode/id1592845466


Music by:

 (Neffex - A year ago) 

 (Neffex - dont want to let myself go) 

Transcript

Jordan: 0:00

every time I leave to go to China. I'm homesick all the time. And I just, it sucks cuz also my, my entire half of like the family, my, my entire family is in China. So it's like leaving them again and it just sucks, you know, I just feel terrible.

AO: 0:22

Welcome to another episode of This episode I spoke to at Jordan Lam. A very, very lovely young man who took us to not only at the far east, but also took us to the United States of America. Jordan has his own podcast called Jordan Mode. Which you can check out on Apple, Spotify and on YouTube. Thanks. Hi, Jordan. Tell me a bit about you. Anything that you want to share? Who are you?

Jordan: 0:57

Awesome.

AO: 0:59

Yeah, anything.

Jordan: 1:02

My name is Jordan Lam, I dress up as a banana I'm 21 years old. I am of legal drinking age in the USA. I do not drink, but I like to have fun. I like to do whatever. And I like to learn from everyone. I guess I like to do art and graphic design and, and podcast. This is fun.

AO: 1:22

And rapping

Jordan: 1:23

Yeah, I guess. Yeah.

AO: 1:24

I thought I'd add that in and do like rapping too.

Jordan: 1:27

Thank you. Yeah. Yeah.

AO: 1:29

Thank you. Thank you for saying you would do this you are my first person that I've actually spoken to, who I don't actually really know that much about.

Jordan: 1:39

Oh, that's great. This is wonderful.

AO: 1:42

is scary and interesting. So you are going to talk about your Chinese heritage. When I asked you, what would you like to talk about? Why did you choose that? Although I was very happy, but why did you choose that?

Jordan: 2:01

Well, I think I don't really get to talk about it often and I feel like. Like half of me, which is super important and crucial to my identity. It makes me who I am. So I think, you know, it'd be interesting to talk about it on a podcast like this, cuz you, you talk, you get people to share their stories. So then I was thinking, let's go out of the box. Shall we let's go to the east to the far east.

AO: 2:30

Do you know what when, I put that message out and then you were the first person who came back to me and I thought I'm not really sure Jordan's I, I feel like, you know, he's all about comedy and humor and that's fine and that's great, but that's not really what my podcast is about, but it was the message that you put. I'll make you laugh, even if you don't find it funny, I will. And it made me laugh and I thought, no, I'm, I'm going to, I'm gonna speak to Jordan. So thank you. Okay. So you basically said you it's, it's half for you, which it is. Why don't you talk about it? What does your heritage mean to you? Also? I did stalk you a little bit on Twitter, just so you know. So I did see some of your pictures from 2019. So I know what it means to you, just from your pictures on Twitter, some of the things you said, what does it mean to you in your words? Basically your Chinese heritage.

Jordan: 3:32

It's my identity. It's it's like, how do I describe it? It's it's like, you know, take a sandwich, right? It's like, it's like one half of the bread slice. You can't have. One slice of bread, that would just be a half of a sandwich. So it really just completes me because I was born in America, the US, and well my parents are Chinese, right. They were born in China. So there's that other side of the family, it's kind of like, how do I describe this? It's like macaroni and cheese or it's like fish and chips. Yeah.

AO: 4:13

I get it

Jordan: 4:14

know what I'm saying? Yeah,

AO: 4:14

I do. I do I get it. I wanted to say, are you second generation? Are you third generation? Because now I can ask questions. If you don't mind about your parents. Okay. When did they go over to the US? And I feel like I know the answer to why, but I'm not going to assume. So when did they go to the US and why? What were the reasons?

Jordan: 4:40

So they came to the US at about, I think 20, 20 years ago. So no, this was, they came before I was born. So I think it was like 25, 30 years ago. It was like that long ago. And, well, the reason my dad came is cuz his brother, my uncle started a, a business, a restaurant over in the states and he needed help to, you know, get it started and stuff. So then my dad was like, you know, he's family and then he's, that's cool. So then he went to help him out and we they've just been here ever since, basically. So it all really just started with my uncle in his restaurant.

AO: 5:29

Okay. I didn't actually know the answer. I thought I was really smart thinking. You were gonna say, you know, for a better life, because it's America, the what is it that people always say because it's a thing, you know, when you watch films and they always say, and we are going to America because it's the land. why can't I remember what is it that people always say about America? It's like, you know, people go to New York because where the streets are paved with gold. So I kind of thought it was that, you know, immigrants always go to Western countries because more money, better jobs, better education. But, so I didn't know the answer.

Jordan: 6:13

Well, I mean, I don't doubt that that that might play a little part in it cuz considering they were like, you know, way younger, like two decades younger back then they didn't know what the US was about. So they probably did think about that's probably now that I think about why my uncle start wanted to start business in the US. So like, no, I don't doubt that. Like I, I agree that they wanted a better life and they wanted to try something out here.

AO: 6:40

If you asked them, dont know if you've ever asked them, do you think they would say that all these years later they made the right decision? have you ever asked them?.

Jordan: 6:55

Yeah. Yeah. And truth be told. No, had they, no. Not at all in their opinion. I don't think they've said to me, they genuinely don't like living here because they feel as though my dad's brother, like really like forced him to move down here, even though like, he technically didn't force him, but It's like with, if you never influenced me, if you never asked me to come here, then I wouldn't be here for this long, a time period and, and grown to like, not like it, you know what I'm saying?

AO: 7:47

Yeah, I do. My mom came over here. and for years over to England and for years, all I used to hear was, you know, and then I'm going back home. I'm going back home and pretty sure she'd lived here for a lot of years, but she would always say, I'm going back home. I'm always gonna go back home the UK was that was never was never home for her. but actually I'm sure she came over cuz her sister said to come over. So actually I do kind of get it. Yeah, I do. Whereabouts in China? Did they did they live, do they actually come from only because China's China's very big, you know, they it's it's it's

Jordan: 8:33

So my dad's from Hong Kong and my mom is from the city called Ɡwæŋˈdʊŋ, I don't really know how to pronounce it in English, but that's, it's just Ɡwæŋˈdʊŋ or Guang do, or, you know, some that like that, like that there are two different cities. Like Hong Kong is, well, they're both in the south, I should say. So. And in both cities, that's where people speak Cantonese, which is a different dialect from Mandarin, which is primarily what most Chinese people speak. So that would be like, how do I relate this? It's like So it's like here in the US, right in Miami or in Florida, there's Spanish speakers and English speakers. So basically the people who speak English would be the majority of people and, the minority language would be Spanish or Cantonese cuz there's fewer, fewer people who would speak that

AO: 9:35

Okay. So this is completely random question. So if you are, let's say you live in the south and you live in the north, the best way I can put this is in England. We have the south and we have, we have the north, up north, down south is there a difference between the south and the North.

Jordan: 9:54

Yeah. Yeah. I would say definitely, definitely. In terms of ways of living and attitude toward life, and languages, especially cause people in the north speak Mandarin and people in the south speak Cantonese, for example, this Hong Kong Gozo. Those are, those are cities in the south, but cities in the north like Beijing, Shanghai, you're gonna have Mandarin speaking people, majority, majority of speakers. And I can't really speak on how the north really thinks per se, but because I, I don't really have any family there and I don't visit there a lot. So what I can tell you from my time in the Southern cities that, We're just chill. I feel like, you know, we're, we're just, I don't know. I feel like we just keep to ourselves. We, you know, like, I, there's not really much to say about it. I don't think, you know,

AO: 10:55

How many times have you actually, how many times have you been.

Jordan: 10:59

I've been throughout my entire life probably, eight times.

AO: 11:05

that's actually a, that's a fair few. That's a fair few times.

Jordan: 11:09

Yeah,

AO: 11:10

Have you ever thought I actually might decide to just go and live there? You put something on Twitter about it's about the food. you'd obviously gone then came back, to America. And I don't know if it was maybe you, you know, when you go away and then you go back home and then you feel a bit homesick, like you are missing the culture and. you basically said how much you miss being there definitely feel like there was something about people who don't know how to use chopsticks. and, and basically the food in America, possibly, maybe the Chinese food was just better. So. I don't know, I saw it and I thought, oh, I wonder if he ever thought, do you know, maybe I'll just go and live in China. Then I can see my relatives more. have you ever thought about just leaving America to just go back to where your mom and dad came from?

Jordan: 12:28

All the time. Every time I leave to go to China. I, I just get a huge culture shock, cuz it's incredibly different. The language different, the amount of stuff to do is different. The food is different. Everything about it is different, but I love it because it's like, it's like reuniting with a long lost cousin or a sibling, right? You haven't seen each other forever. The, this, this there's this person who exists and it's like, We've reunited, this is, this is my other half. This is my, whatever this is. So yeah, every time I go to China to stay there, to see, you know, my family and stuff, every time I leave, I miss everything about it. You know, I just, like you said, I I'm, I'm homesick all the time. And I just, it sucks cuz also my, my entire half of like the family, my, my entire family is in China. So it's like leaving them again and it just sucks, you know, I, I just feel terrible. But then when I'm back in the states, after like a, a month or two or three, I'm like over it and then that it, the cycle just repeats and I've just accepted that. I acknowledged that. You know, I just, I love it there. And I, I always do wish I could just stay there and live there even though I don't know, like that much Chinese, which is ironic.

AO: 14:06

and also because you've never actually lived there. You know, sometimes you just have a romanticized idea about somewhere and actually in reality, you've lived in America, your entire life. so it's great going there, but in reality, I don't know. Will it, would it ever live up to, what's in your head but I feel like that must be quite tough.

Jordan: 14:35

I do understand what you're saying. And I do, like, I do admit it maybe some like fabricated romanticized version in my head that I've fallen inlove with. But I have lived in, in Hong Kong, like staying at my grandma's house, which is as, how do I say this? It's not as big as my house currently where I'm living in the US, but it's like the, that, that doesn't matter. The living situation, my like, I'll I'll keep it on the side real quick. But the reason why I love it so much is cuz when you go in the streets, right, there are restaurants there there's a, you don't even have to drive. First of all, there is a train station. There is a subway, the city there's so much to do. You don't even have to. Have to drive. It's better not to drive. There are taxis everywhere. There there's so much, there's so many, so much food, so many noodles, so many like I miss that place. Okay. I'm just, okay, hold on. I need a, I need a second. There's just like, there's so much to do. There's they even have a Disneyland over there. That's that's like, wow.

AO: 15:59

Isn't there. What is there in America? Isn't there a Disney, Disney world Disney land, any land?

Jordan: 16:05

Yeah. It's in, Orlando in, in Florida. It's like where I am basically. And yeah, that one. That's cool. But, you know, when you visit to like, okay, for example, right. McDonald's in the US is completely different from McDonald's anywhere else in the world. Right. Cause each, every McDonald's every like fast food chain, restaurant, franchise is different in every country they offer different foods. So for example, in Hong Kong, right? They have, I think the last time I checked, they had this like, red bean, ice cream or apple pie or something. I don't know. It doesn't matter. But the fact that they do something different is just like, it just spice things up, you know, just isn't that that's like if England, right.

AO: 16:53

Our, McDonald's is basically, the same, I think as your McDonald's except imagine smaller portions. That is what our McDonald's is like, I guess, because really not really, we are completely different to America, but also we are not really, so except we are smaller. So our McDonald's is pretty much very similar except actually your McDonald's has a lot more and offer than our McDonald's does. And we get smaller portions. I'm guessing probably for the same price. I think your McDonald's might be cheaper as well.

Jordan: 17:28

Okay. Okay. But I mean, that, that alone, even though it's smaller, that's something different. Right. So I, I completely forgot what I was going on about, but yeah, I love, I love China specifically. Hong Kong though. Hong Kong. That's like where my dad was born. That's where Jackie Chan's from. That's

AO: 17:49

know what I did? I didn't wanna ask you. I deliberately was like, no, I'm not going to throw in anything about Jackie Chan, because that is just quite. I don't know. I find I would just be offensive on my part, but you threw in Jackie Chan. So thank you for that

Jordan: 18:06

Well, I mean, I don't think that's offensive though. It's just like, it's what you associate, right? So, Like it's, it's all in the connotation. Like what do you, what do you think of when you think of China?

AO: 18:21

Honestly, are you actually asking me cause I will actually give an honest answer. What do I think

Jordan: 18:26

honestly asking

AO: 18:27

Food, food, I think of food. Yeah, I do. I think of food.

Jordan: 18:31

Wow. that's surprising. Okay.

AO: 18:34

What do you think most people, what do you think most people would say? Yeah, I think of food

Jordan: 18:37

I don't I I know, like, I guess. Government the Chinese government, or I really don't know that. I don't really think about it. Food, food. Would've been like top five answers, but I would've thought government, I don't TikTok other things.

AO: 18:59

No, because I, live in this world where this is why I kind of try and get people on. Who've had a story that with some type of struggle, but still positive because I live in this world in my head where. I think it's all just positive and happy so, yes, I think of things that make me happy. I like Chinese food, so yes, I think Chinese food.

Jordan: 19:25

Yeah. Yeah. That's good

AO: 19:26

not the government. Definitely not, definitely not the, definitely not the government. Cause that doesn't make me happy at all. That's a whole another conversation that we won't go into. Is it a struggle basically dealing with these two cultures, which are actually, they're completely different. Aren't they?

Jordan: 19:47

Yeah. It's like black and white.

AO: 19:49

they are really different.

Jordan: 19:52

Yeah. To answer your question. Yes. Yes it has. And it's just grown harder as I've grown up. Like the more I grow up or the older I get, the harder it is to truly balance one another. I'd say, cuz I'd say since I was born in the US, I'm gonna be raised with like American beliefs and you know that, American education system and everything. So I'm gonna have these beliefs of, you know, doing whatever I want in life. Like who cares, what anyone thinks individualism basically freedom, you know, but whereas in China, it's, it's more like everyone. It's all on this collectivism mindset where people follow each other. They, they do not, you know, like become themselves. They like follow each other. They don't wanna do anything wrong. Basically. It's like, you're, you're part of the pack, you know, or, or fish in a school. If you stray away, you're like, you're, you're different. And no one likes to be that in China. So it's like, and my parents, when I, when I was younger, you know, they'd always like, tell me, you know, like follow the rules and stuff. What I'm trying to say is the rules aren't bad. Right? It is to make sure everything is good and we go along with everyone else, but as I've grown up, I've learned that I wanna do my own thing. And that really clashes with my Chinese heritage in some ways.

AO: 21:44

What do your mom and dad think about your podcast comedy And then do you know what this is also when you actually say to me, what do I think of when someone says China? Not so much China, but Chinese parents in my head and I could be completely wrong that they're I just imagine they're quite strict So what, what do your parents think of your podcast? Comedy rapping life? I love the way I love the way I keep throwing in the rapping in there.

Jordan: 22:20

I love that to. I, no, no, no. Thank you. You, can you keep going with that? No, that's great, so my parents are very, very traditional. They, they believe you should go to college university to get a, a good job and stuff they're like that. And you are actually like with your thoughts on, on my parents being strict, strict. You're not too far from the truth. They, they aren't like tiger moms or, you know, or dads, but like as far as like Asian people or Chinese people, I think when I was younger, right. If I wanted to be an actor or anything related to arts, They'd have no faith in me. They'd call me stupid. And they'd be like, go to college, be a doctor or, or anything along that route, you know, the stereotypical, the, the pathway, the traditional pathway, cuz it seems like college is the way to success and they wanted me to do that. I'm pretty sure they still want me to do that. But. So they see this podcast and everything else as a side hustle, you know, they don't think you can actually do anything with it, but I don't blame them because they, they grew up thinking they didn't have all this when they were growing up. So like, how would they know anything about the internet? My mom doesn't even know how to browse the internet. And she's been using an iPad for like, more than five years. Okay. This is, I just, there's so much like every day, like I'm frustrated. Okay. I can't even lie to you and it's just exhausting sometimes, but oh my dad, my dad's more tech savvy, which is, it's just funny.

AO: 24:25

However, do you know what in their, you are right though. Completely different generation, they grew up differently. And also when they were growing up, the internet did not rule the world like it does now. You didn't have people who invented cars that run on electric. I get it. It's a different world. And sometimes I feel like people don't give older people a break because the world's changing. It's such a quick speed,

Jordan: 25:01

Yeah,

AO: 25:02

you know?

Jordan: 25:03

it's so fast. It's going so fast.

AO: 25:06

and the younger you are, the easier it is to understand and deal with. But one day you are gonna be old and then there'll be someone who says the same thing about you.

Jordan: 25:19

Yeah. And then there would be like crazy new tech that I can't deal with and I don't wanna learn and it's gonna be crazy, like, but I look forward to it. Surprise me, I guess.

AO: 25:31

No same, this is, this is what I think. I think one day I just don't have a clue about a lot of things. I still wanna see what it's gonna be like. Have do you don't have to answer this one. What was it like? Being a Chinese American in 2020 when COVID happened. I feel like this one's actually just because I'm curious to know from someone who actually lived there, what was that experience like? Was it just normal?

Jordan: 26:00

Funnily is funnily a word I completely forget,

AO: 26:04

I think it actually is. Funnily. Funnily enough. No, it is. Funnily enough. It's actually a word.

Jordan: 26:09

Funnily enough. I, it was pretty normal for us because we live in a small city in Florida that no one's ever heard about. And it's pretty much where all the old people go to retire and it's called Sarasota. Nothing really much really like happened to us cuz. Well, first of all, the, like the Asian population in Sarasota is like, we're, the minority is pretty much like there's so few Asians, Asian Americans there that like, I, I was just chilling. I don't know. I can't speak for anyone else's experience, but my experience, I was just chilling. I was like quarantining it and stuff. Cuz everyone was like deathly afraid every like, you know, but yeah, I can't really say anything about like any Asian hate or whatever, you know? So

AO: 27:06

Good. No

Jordan: 27:06

Was normal.

AO: 27:08

Good. I'm not saying there wasn't hate somewhere, but obviously I haven't spoken to anyone other than you. So I can only ask you about your experience.

Jordan: 27:21

I think like racism, like sometimes it's, it's hidden, like it's. It's inside people, but they don't let it out. You know what I'm saying? So I think maybe, maybe there are thoughts, you know, racist thoughts. I, I won't say that there weren't, but I don't know. Everyone just seemed chill. So whatever, you know

AO: 27:54

Do you know, what, if someone has thought in their head that they're not vocalizing, then, well, then you don't know about it because they haven't vocalized it. So you were chilling and that was fine. When did you start doing the podcasting?

Jordan: 28:08

Well, yeah. So where do I start here? okay. Let's take it back to. 2021. Yeah. So originally I had started the podcast in March of 2021, but then I got sidetracked and did a whole lot of other stuff where I was just in a weird phase of trying everything I could get my hands on and then cut to nine months later in December, 2021. That's when I started to put my foot down and get super serious. And it's been seven months since then. And here I am talking to you.

AO: 29:00

I guess, cause I haven't spoken to, I haven't spoken to anyone else who. does podcast. So yeah, it's actually quite interesting to, yeah, it's just interesting to know. Could you please just tell me what is the deal with the banana? Did you know? That's what I was gonna ask I want to no, honestly, cause people, no one else can see you. I can see you. For people listening, Jordan has a banana costume on it. So that's why I'm asking what is to deal with the banana. Just to clarify why I'm asking that question. I think it's quite funny and actually it's different now. I, now you are in front of me. It just, because it's only the top bit, it's only the top bit. It's not like a full banana suit, which I think might have been better by the way, if it was a full banana suit.

Jordan: 29:45

Oh, it is.

AO: 29:46

Oh, was it a full banana suit?

Jordan: 29:48

Yeah. I'm just not standing. Yeah. Yeah. So like, I think, let me squash the, rumors. I, okay. The banana does not come off what it does when I'm not podcasting. Okay. This is, I feel like I had to give the authentic experience cuz I, I had a dilemma right before. We're before this meeting, right. I was thinking, should I put on the banana costume? And ultimately I decided, of course, why would I not wear the banana costume I have to it's it's me and I love bananas. And to answer your question about why the banana costume. So, no, I think I've pretty much answered it. I love bananas. It was such a random costume that I couldn't help, but like, Just laugh when I first saw it. So then I, then I wore it for the first time and I was like, this was the right choice. I regret nothing. This, everything that has led up to this moment It's been destined.

AO: 30:52

I'm laughing at that. I regret nothing. Do you know what? There's actually nothing wrong with it at all there isn't I did wonder, were you going to no, I feel like I kind of just cuz you haven't done any when you haven't had it on. So why

Jordan: 31:08

Oh, yeah.

AO: 31:08

why would this one have been different?

Jordan: 31:11

Well, I have back when I was doing just audio, I was cuz you know, I wasn't thinking when I started videos. I put on the banana costume. So that, that was when a new age for me just started. I thought, you know, I'm doing something different might as well go all the way, you know, might as well go banana. You know why? You know, I don't wanna go halfway. I don't wanna split.

AO: 31:38

No, listen fair. If listen, if it works for you, it works for you. But I had to ask, come on.

Jordan: 31:44

A good question.

AO: 31:46

Don't remember which episode it was, but you were talking sounded quite serious. And you said about people nowadays, especially being offended by comedians, by the jokes that comedians say

Jordan: 32:00

really depends on the joke, but I think in general, I.

AO: 32:04

Is there a line, is there a line that comedians are not supposed to cross or is there, I don't know.

Jordan: 32:12

I feel like, see, no, I don't. Well, okay. Okay. There are, there are reasons that can be justified, but you still like for example, Will Smith. Chris Rock had to bring it there. Okay. Chris rock told a joke about Jada. Jada's like bald head or something. GI Jane, that wasn't that great. It wasn't that great. A joke I'll admit. Okay. But then for will Smith to get so offended for Jada or either that he's a really good actor and I gotta, I gotta applaud, applaud that man, but he went out there and smacked him and I'm just like, I, I don't think. No, I, I genuinely don't think there's a line that you, you cannot cross as a comedian.

AO: 33:08

No, no, no. I'm not doing that. I'm well, yes. I was like, mm, I don't know because I'm, I am very easily offended. I feel like, I dont know why I feel like, because I never, I never wanna offend people so people can say stuff and I'm like, Hmm, shouldn't say that. That's you're gonna offend someone. What's they? I said saying to you, Jackie Chan, see. Wouldn't have said it to you. Cuz I said, see, I would've found that offensive if I'd have said it. However, my favorite comedian, do you actually even know who Ricky Gervais is?

Jordan: 33:43

Yeah. Yeah. I've heard him.

AO: 33:44

He's offensive to everyone and anyone and he does not care, but I find him hysterically funny and I went to one of one of his shows a little while ago this year. And he said, if you don't, if you don't find me funny. don't listen, we don't deliberately set out to offend people. That's not the it's basic to make people laugh. And if it doesn't make you laugh, just don't listen. I feel like maybe I agree with that because. If not, are we all just gonna be offended by every single thing also will Smith a hundred percent just overreacted. It wasn't needed. just wasn't needed. In my opionion

Jordan: 34:23

no, yeah, yeah. Like what you said about Ricky Gervais saying that if you don't like his comedy, then, then just don't listen. That's that's like, if. Someone was listening to your podcast. Right. And then just got offended at something you said, like, what would, what would you say to them? Like, I'm sorry, I offended you or just don't listen, but get everyone's here's how, how I see it. Everyone is gonna, there's gonna be someone out there who's gonna be offended at something you say it doesn't matter how little or whatever your intent was, there's someone gonna be, there's gonna be someone that has a strong emotion toward what you said. And I don't think there's really anything you can do about that. You can't control anyone's emotions or actions, so, and why, so why would you cater to someone like that constantly? And not be your own authentic self, which is what Ricky Gervais is doing. He's telling jokes. He, he finds his jokes funny. He's just being himself. Right. He doesn't care if he's offending anyone. Cuz he's a comedian. He's a good comedian. I'll I'll give him that. Okay. And it's like,

AO: 35:44

He's amazing love him

Jordan: 35:45

yeah, exactly. And maybe you're also living vicariously through him, you know? Cause you want, maybe you wanna be like him. Not not, you know, is that like, maybe that's why you find him funny?

AO: 35:58

Oh, I'd love to I'd. No, no, no. You're not. I'd love. No, I'd love to live in a world where I could just say things to people. I'm just, I don't like conflict. Yes. I know. It's the world we live in. Yes. I know everyone's getting canceled if they say the wrong thing, but I, I think that's wrong. I don't feel like anyone should be dictating what another human being has to say, because everyone is going to offend someone at some point it's life. I don't like the, I don't really like being censored.

Jordan: 36:29

Yeah. And also it's like, if you get offended by someone and you want them to cater to you, you're basically hindering their ability to create, or just be creative in general, cuz you want. Them to say things only, you do not get offended by or something that you like. You know, it's like if people just want some, someone to create one type of content every time, and that's just, that's just not, that's just doesn't work that like that creative person isn't gonna have any creative juices. One, you're not, you're disabling them their mind to be not free thinking. You're just making them. Forcing them to do one type of thing, right? It's like this, your podcast, right? What do you not like you want Chinese food. Let's not go back to Chinese food. If you, from now on your podcast. Every episode from here on out was dedicated to just talking about Chinese food because people would just want you to speak about Chinese food. You're gonna get pretty burnt out. You're gonna probably not like Chinese food. You know, like it's just gonna get tiring at some point and you you're gonna wanna do something else, but I'm, you know, at the end of the day, people have their own thoughts and opinions. You shouldn't change for anyone. I don't necessarily think conflict is a bad thing. I did used to think that I didn't like conflict, but now I'm, I think it's necessary. If you wanna stay true to yourself and just grow as a person, just be like more mature because we real life isn't fair. And I'll admit that it's, it's not all rainbows and sunshines, even though I wish it was, I wanna be positive. Right. But I understand that we live in a world where Ricky Gervais exists and he's not afraid to offend anyone. Therefore, we, we have to be authentic to really truly be free and strong. I think. We're stuck on being so sensitive and offended at everything. How are you gonna live your life? Being a female dog. Okay. Let's use euphemisms instead, you know, so just be authentic, be yourself.

AO: 38:58

Thank you, Jordan, you've been great. I'd like to get my guests to say something at the end because ultimately it's this is your episode. So.

Jordan: 39:11

Okay. Cool. So I want you guys to check out this podcast, ChatAholic more episodes coming soon. And just like Nike says, just do it, whatever you're thinking of you. If the, if you're waiting for an opportunity to do something, just stop. Okay. Just stop your thoughts right there. That that is just an excuse that your brain is trying to trick you into wasting time. Okay. If you just stopped and thought to yourself, well, no thinking don't even think, just stop for a moment and just decide I'm gonna do it. And then move to do that action. You're gonna accomplish so much in life. You're gonna be, you're gonna establish a crazy work ethic. You're gonna actually skyrocket in whatever field or business you're in. The strongest of wills will overcome any obstacle. Okay. And that is all. Thank you everyone. Thank you, listeners.